tv MONEY With Melissa Francis FOX Business October 3, 2012 5:00pm-6:00pm EDT
david: tomorrow, by the way liz claman will join us live from cleveland for our open tore business series. she will speak with top business executives and leaders in cleveland to find out how the city turned itself around. she will be joined tomorrow by mark shapiro, chief and indian president. all coming tomorrow. melissa: i'm melissa francis and here's what's money tonight. iran rocked by protests. citizens rise up against soaring inflation and supply shortages. are these the first cracks before the downfall of the regime? plus, our all-star panel previews tonight's presidential debate. the economy takes center stage. we'll find out what president obama and mitt romney have to say to win voters. bald may or may not be beautiful. it is in the eyes of the beholder but is it all powerful? will it could give some men a big advantage in business. even when they say it's not, it is always about money.
melissa: let's take a look at the day's market headlines. a choppy day for stocks. better than expected data from adp on private sector jobs and unexpected rise in service sector activity. din actually give a boost to wall street. the dow rose 12 points. meanwhile shares of hewlett-packard plunging to a nine-year low. ceo meg whitman warned profit and revenue will fall through the coming fiscal year. whitman says, the company's ongoing turn around effort is causing the gloomy outlook. shares of netflix leaping more than 8%. a top citigroup analyst gives the company a strong outlook saying it is due to improved satisfaction among netflix subscribers. finally. take a look at that stock though, on fire. our top story tonight, protests are erupting in the streets of tehran. you're looking at new amateur video. this is just coming into fox. we should note that we are
working to authenticate it. but iran's citizens are in a panic. inflation is skyrocketing and the iranian real is plummeting to record lows against the u.s. dollar. supplies of basic goods are running short. so could iran's own economy and not the u.s. or israel be the thing that brings the iranian regime to its knees? joining me now on this are fox news mid-east analyst, co-chair of mitt romney's mid-east advisory group and author of, the coming revolution, walid phares. a lot of titles there. we have the vice president of foreign defense policies studies at the american enterprise institute. thanks to both of now for joining us. these are dramatic pictures and dramatic events. as i'm reading about this, i'm reading about tear gas being used against demonstrators setting fire to tires. there there is all kinds of reports what is going on right now in iran. i mean is this the beginning of something big?
walid, what do you think? >> well, yes that is the next wave we've been waiting for. remember in 2009 there was a massive demonstration of about 1.5 to two million iranians. mostly youth. but that was a political reason. now because of an economic reason. it is very serious. all defense militia -- melissa, depends not on how many are in the streets and depends what the international community is going to do including the united states. melissa: do you agree with that? >> i don't think it is the beginning of the end for the regime. i think the regime is at risk because this is something that affects all iranians. it is not about the nuclear program which many iranians don't care. it is not about syria which many iranians don't care about. it is not about israel or america. it is about their dissatisfaction with their own government. that is something the government will have a hard time making go away. melissa: walid, why do you say it is america's response and israel's response that make as difference. >> i didn't say the united
states. i didn't say israel because they're locked in almost military conflict and intelligence conflict with the irrainsian. the united states as leader of free world has opportunity now. iran this may be one of the wave to come it is not final wave of course. after egypt, after tunisia after the other models in syria and libya there is possibility for the united states to encourage basically the iranian people to continue with demonstration. >> how? >> or repeat of 2009 when the administration said we don't want to meddle, have nothing to do with it. melissa: what do they do to encourage it? >> we're seeing representatives of the opposition, if the opposition organizes. second we aggrandize their message. thirdly, depend how the events take place inside iran we may take this to the international community. all those are open but depend on what the iranians, what the youth are doing about it. melissa: danny, this is interesting to me. seems like maybe the sanctions have worked? a lot of people questioned whether,
trying to have sanctions against iran would actually make a difference. if you look at real completely and losing its value and skyrocketing. we have a chart showing the real versus the dollar. it shows the economic vice is being -- there it is. it has just fallen off a cliff. so the economic vice is vise is being tightened around the people and people would rise up and say we don't want to be under the thumb of the mullahs. >> we need to understand what is happening with iran and the goal of sanctions. the goal of sanctions unfortunately is not to topple iranian government. on the contrary it is to get the leaders to talk to barack obama representatives to make a nice deal so israel doesn't attack and he is not put in a difficult position. that is the problem. what we see right now is a combination of the effect of the sanctions which have begun to bite inside iran and massive economic
mismanagement for the last 20 plus years on the part of the iranian regime. the best thing about this is, what you hear the people on the streets chanting and you have that video of them, what they're chant something not, americans you put us in this situation or damn you zionists. it is forget about syria. you, iranian leaders, you're the ones who let us down. they're demonstrating against the regime and in large numbers they blame the regime for what is happening to them. so this has a lot of potential. melissa: walid, she makes a very interesting point that we don't want to topple this government. we want to bring them to the table. i'm not sure about that. do you agree with that? >> as a matter of fact i do and i do --. melissa: why? you think the alternative is worse? that something happens like what he have seen in egypt where the replacement ends up being a worse foe than who is in there? hard to imagine something out there worse than ahmadinejad? >> i don't want to surprise but this administration is very actually happy with the government in egypt. they are in association with
the muslim brotherhood. we need to understand what the final design with administration would like to partner with islamists in north africa. they would like to cut a deal with regime. i heard from demonstrators and opposition iran they are doing demonstrations because the sanctions don't force the regime to reform. it is other way. the demonstrations are coming because of failure of the sangs shuns. melissa: interesting. thanks to both of you. we have a lot more to discuss. we'll have to shut it off. we'll come back to this without question because obviously a situation getting bigger and bigger. thanks to both of you. millions will be tuning in tonight for the first of three presidential debates. president obama has a slight edge in the polls right now but tonight is an opportunity for both sides to drive remaining 12% undecided voters into one camp or the other. with me on the ground in denver at the debates is our very own big cheese, the boss, the man in charge, it is neil cavuto. what is going on there?
what's the buzz? >> i'm in what they call "the spin room" right now. i just that refered to reporters after drinking the room appeared to be spinning. but actually it is a room where before the debate both sides sort of sell their pitch. what i found remarkable lower expectations on each side. you would think hearing from their respective camps that these guys can barely breathe and walk and talk and chew gum at the same time but afterwards, afterwards they're postively mensa. i think what you get a gauge of here is the economy being front and center, who can make a more compelling case for the economy where it is right now. and as you reported, melissa. we've got economic numbers that could support the president's view things are getting better. an adp report that showed surprising 162,000 jobs surge. maybe that could be a good indication where the general federal employment numbers will be on friday morning. but you've got disturbing news out of hewlett-packard saying we don't see any
light on the horizon. the rest of this year stinks and so does next year while we're at it. mitt romney will obviously focus on the latter. that better is not good. and the president on the former that better is a hell of a lot, well, better than things were. will be up to viewers to decide whether one side has made the more compelling argument. melissa: so, neil, what do you think they're doing right now this second? are they like carboloading on pasta? are they having loads of coffee? what would you do right now here? are you cramming answers. are they having a nap? what do you think? >> i don't know. i mean, i'll defer to my friend juan williams is coming up with you. he knows this stuff far better than i do. i would be nervous as heck. melissa: yeah. >> everyone is second he is abouting every move you make and nothing you can do is right. jim lehrer is dealing with that. the left won't like certain questions. the right won't like certain questions. so he can't win. we do know that the president has arrived here. he checked out the
auditorium where he will be, you know, debating tonight. mitt romney comes a little bit later. they do this with no cameras present. that is much like they do at convention halls where they get a lay of the land. we'll size up the microphones. it is microphone thing, all that technical stuff better work. i think it was 1976 when ford and carter were debating it went out like half an hour. they're both standing there looking at each other like goons not knowing what to say. ford and carter are both ignoring each other. nodding. 30 minutes of that. i would have called for a pasta break myself but that's me. melissa: get a drink and get the heck out of here. >> to "the spin room". they're both ready. they have to be nervous. even if the president, you know what is at stake. your guy is the favorite so you can't screw up. if you're mitt romney you're the challenger, so being on the same stage as the president automatically ups you in the eyes of folks. it is a chance for both to
make an argument they're better to deal with what is conceivably the issue of this campaign, the economy. and whether, if you like what you see, more of it with the president, if you don't, get rid of the president. melissa: there you go. neil cavuto thanks so much. of course we'll be watching every minute of neil. he is the star, starting tonight at 8:00 p.m., our special coverage of the presidential debate. look how happy he is is every minute i will be watching. just under four hours until the debate and the economy is expected to, start at 9:00? it starts at 8:00. so three hours. expected to be a dominant force in tonight's faceoff between president obama and mitt romney. we turn to the all-star panel to put tonight in perspective. joining me from denver, romney surrogate, republican congressman from utah, jason chaffetz. fox news political analyst juan williams. we have paul heckly, executive director with the deloitte center for health
solutions. we have ed kinard, former bain capital managing director. gentlemen, thanks for all of you coming on. we appreciate it. congressman, i will start with you. what do you think mitt romney needs to do to achieve tonight on the economy? let's focus on that? >> mitt romney just need to be mitt romney. if he can talk about the turn around he has been able to do in the private sector. the turnarounds he did with the olympics. what he did in massachusetts. then share in a very compassionate way his vision for the country. yes there will be time to criticize the president's lack of accomplishments as the president of the united states but then he also has to pivot very quickly this is what we should be doing. this is why the recovery could and should be better. when mitt romney does that i think people will see why he should be the next president of the united states. melissa: juan, how does the president paint a better picture what is going on in the economy right now or does he not need to? >> i think it is helpful because what part of the attack will be coming from governor romney so the
economy stinks. he has to make it clear to the american people there are indicators that the economy is picking up speed and ask the american people to stay with him. he can't be arrogant bit. that is one of the great liabilities he has. he might come off as indifferent to romney's criticisms. ignoring that. it would play badly with 50 million plus people watching. look at wall street. look at nasdaq. look at s&p. look at fact we've had job growth for 30 months. he can say all those things. he sass to pick up exactly what congressman chaffetz is saying. this is what we're talking about going forward. this is the challenge for president obama and governor romney. melissa: paul, do you think pointing to the stock market is necessarily a good idea for the president? it makes him seem like he is on the side of wall street and fought very hard to look like that is not the case? >> in our deloitte survey of employers last month, wall street is concerned about health cost, the biggest single line it seem in federal budget. 20% of the state budget.
19% of discretionary spending. melissa you can't get to fixing economy, job growth without cutting the rate of spending for health care. that is what wall street wants to hear. melissa: ed, do you agree with that or what do you think the candidates need to hit on? >> i think you have to explain there is 1.1 trillion dollars deficits today you have to run $200 billion to keep the debt at the same percentage of gdp. we can't continue to let it rise. you have to find $900 billion of tax increases or cost reductions. i think that mitt has to press president obama on what his plan is to do that. he has steadfastly refused to cut costs. that portends $900 billion of tax increases. our economy simply is not going to recover quickly with that hanging over its head. mitt's plan is more cost reduction. president obama is much, much bigger. income prehensably large tax kin p increases. people think letting bush tax cuts on people earning over $250,000 is the answer
to the problem. that is $50 billion a year. if you cut capital gains and estate tax it is another 50 dal billion a year. that doesn't cut it. melissa: congressman, do you think the governor should go into numbers like that? i'm a thumb members gal. i like to see what is really happening. i'm not sure the rest of the american public can sort through the math? should he talk about the real picture of the economy and talk about passionately. which do you think is better case for the economy? >> no doubt he will talk about unemployment north of 8% for 43 months. no doubt he will talk about the 23 million people out of work or underemployed. but then very quickly, you also have to talk to the person at home, when you talk about $16 trillion in debt, what does that mean? for them their mortgage, trying to finance a kid going to school. what about their job? when you can relate personally to what it means at that very real level, then you create that connection, that i hope mitt romney is able to do because i've seen him do it in big settings and small settings and i hopefully the
american people will see that with mitt romney tonight. melissa: juan, what does the president say if mitt romney says are you better off than you were four years ago? so i think almost no one is so how does the president respond to that? >> boy i disagree with you, melissa, can point to leading economic indicators, gdp the country is better off when it was when i took office. he can say look at corporate profits in thinks country. melissa: those are not individuals. people at home don't feel better. >> we're talking about the economy as a whole. you're asking me what he would say. i think he has a legitimate points to make to buffett the point. but you should know that in terms of debate preparation on both sides there seems to be a conclusion now that looking back is not the way to sway voters, to be persuasive. it has to be about looking forward. and that if you just focus on looking back, say the economy stunk either under president bush or president obama voters are like yeah, we know that. we're interested how it will get better for me and my children. melissa: no, that's a good
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melissa: we've done a deep dive into each candidate's economic policies and view on all things money but does what they say tonight really matter? or is it all about the performance? tonight's presidential debate might be the last concrete chance for them to move the needle in substantive way. back with me is the roundtable. political analyst juan williams. and ed kinard, former bain capital managing director. thanks everybody for tick sticking around. as we talk about style over substance, my mean this is one of the things for years you always remember. different physical things happened during various
debates. for example, we have some video to show you of a richard nixon appearing clammy and tired next to a tanned and rested, youthful and fabulous jfk, jr.. this is all relately started to, be more about appearance and, then, actual substance, right? who do you think will prevail, ed? >> i think they both have pretty good style or substance. i don't think either one whip open enough big enough gap. melissa: style, mitt romney, with would be the problem if it came down to style? what would you worry about? >> mitt needs to make it a debate about substance. my worry could be he could get bogged down in details of that substance. if he can't hold the president accountable for how you close 900 dal billion of spending or tax increases, he can not win the debate with enough of a margin to matter. to do that successfully on tv i think is very difficult. melissa: paul, what do you think? >> well i think there is a
second element of intrigue here and that is how you're responding as the camera is on you when your opponent is saying bad things about you. melissa: that's a good point. >> all of these clips for the past couple weeks have pointed to when al gore, for instance, was reacting george bush was commenting. i think we'll be interested in how the camera picks up the person not speaking. melissa: yeah. do we have that? in fact i think the clip you were just talking about is about al gore sighing loudly while george bush was answering a question. that is something a lot of people remember. can we play that? >> well it is the nonverbal behavior. i think that's a key. melissa: definitely. we don't have that. juan, what do you think? what do you think is the biggest pitfall potentially tonight? >> well the president that he appears arrogant, indifferent and even bored by listening to mitt romney. doesn't understand why he has to deal with this situation. if he comes across as arrogant, that would be a big, big point of damage for
him and for his image and american people won't like that. who would like that? melissa: yeah. >> for mitt romney i think he has got to also break out of some of that robotic style. he has to come across that somebody can feel. in fact has some empathy for people who are not wealthy, not involved in big business and really counter the perception of him as a cold-hearted, hard nosed businessman, someone who doesn't understand real struggles because he has come from a you know, wealthy family and has gone on to even greater wealth. melissa: juan, what the flip side to that? what is the president's strength from a debate perspective? >> on substance. remember he is coming into this with a lead. he doesn't need to change the narrative. he can in a sense be more relaxed. he has to worry about any kind of verbal gaffe that would get played up. if he avoid that. if everything is status quo after the debate he is a winner. >> for mitt romney he has to change the narrative. he has to give people to say,
let me take a second look at mitt romney. he is not the guy i thought i had experienced. melissa: ed, what do you think mitt romney's strengths are from a debate perspective. >> he is smart as whip. he can think quickly on his feet. he understands all all numbers and analysis and theory behind everything is is proposing. so i think i'm sure he was debating champion in school. melissa: yeah. >> i expect him to do well. but i think the president is equally sophisticated and capable on that dimension. melissa: paul, you make a great point. people in the audience are watching the guy not talking. what are some of the things we're watching out there they should be aware of? >> how much attention they pay to each other versus their notes. you will be watching the ability to smile when a jab is thrown. melissa: right. >> instead of reacting negatively. i think you will be looking for after fa billty.
that sense this is a real person, both side. they know in advance the jabs that will come back and forth. 47%. unemployment promises below 8%. it will cut across both. so i think people are looking for a person beneath the package. and i think that is really what is going to make the day here. melissa: all right, guys. thanks to all three of you. we appreciate it. great insight. >> thanks, melissa. melissa: here's the question of the day. will the presidential debates significantly up influence who you vote for? we want to hear what you think you can like us on facebook.com/melissafrancisfox. or follow me on twitter at melissaafrancis. energy issues are expected to take a central role in tonight's debate. what condition president obama and mitt romney say to win the hearts and minds of voters? we'll break it all down next. the government slaps massive taxes on chinese solar panels and but gives a
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♪ melissa: so, on to energy. you know it will be one of the big top picks in tonight's debate. which candid and the upper hand? let's break down their plans. executive vice president of the consumer energy alliance. what do you expect to hear from the president on energy? >> well, i think the talking points that we will hear from the president on that he has and all of the above energy plan and will certainly highlight the fact of we have been producing more oil than we have the last 15 years and that natural gas production is up quite a bit and that he wants to get us off well enough of coal. melissa: it is sort of disingenuous in my mind for him
to take credit. when i hear him talking about the drilling, that is all on private land, not federal. natural gas, that is a function of technological breakthrough. will he be it will take credit for those things? >> he will certainly try. you know. we would point out that the oil production and natural gas production on federal land has gone down dramatically over the course of four years that he has been in office. gas prices have doubled while the president has, you know, strangled alaska production, shut down the gulf of mexico and killed the keys to a mix of pipeline tears. melissa: i wondered if it is to his advantage to say that drilling is up. it seems like his natural base don't like that. they are environmentalists. they don't want to hear there is more drilling. and republicans like that, but there will vote for him anyway. >> i think when you talk about energy policy -- policy but thet
and mitt romney have understood the need for the american people to have access to affordable, reliable energy and it's certainly very important for them to go after the independent voters and the undecided voters by talking about increasing domestic production and by talking about ways to bring that gas prices. unfortunately we have seen record high gas prices. we have record high gas prices here. and, you know, the fact that we are actually drilling a little bit more on private land is wonderful. we need to be producing more. domestic energy is so much less expensive than the oil that we import from the middle east. free can bring those of american resources on board. melissa: before we run out of time, what do you think mitt romney will say? >> this message will probably be the same. he is certainly going to support keystone much more than the president. and it will -- have placed to get all the north american energy reserves back on line. melissa: what do you think of each of there main weakness on
energy? how can they attack each other? what would you say, how can you attack the president? >> this by pointing out, as i mentioned, that he has straggle alaska production, killed the pipeline and shut off the gulf of mexico in 2010. as a result of all of those, plus the world's demand that we have seen gas prices double on his watch. melissa: thank you for coming on. >> thank you. melissa: time for today's energy report. we break down the biggest headlines affecting the industry and their impact on the economy. u.s. oil production has gone to its highest levels since december of 1996. the province of energy says crude output is about six and a half million barrels a day, and it's still roughly one-third of what we actually consent. oil inventory in the u.s. posted a surprise decline according to the same report. supply fell by 500,000 barrels. analysts were expecting a rise of and a half million barrels, but despite the inventory, a
glut of gasoline in that same report dragged down the complex. oil settled down more than 4 percent today. 8814 a barrel. that is the lowest close in two months, down below 90. opening arguments began over $10 billion oil refinery in south dakota. environmentalist groups want the state supreme court to strike down a permit allowing its construction. the elk point refinery would process 400,000 barrels of canadian oil per day. i think we need that. retroactive taxes are threatening to devastate u.s. solar companies one business owner is right in the cross hairs, and he is here to explain next. it is a crazy story. plus, when the government is seeing red. preparing for a major crackdown. piles of money in solar panels coming up. ♪
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melissa: so you cut your tax rate was high, how about 253% that is exactly the rate the government is charging a solar company retroactively. provision solar purchased solar cells made in china. they were cheaper. it made sense. when an american manufacturer complaints to the commerce department's the owner got hit with a huge bill, and he is here now fighting back. this is a crazy story in my mind. you paid $54,000 for solar panels from china because there were cheaper. >> hi. thank you so much for having me.
that is correct. i have a need for a lower cost option. the american solar modules the usually take advantage of, they were not available at that particular time and i need to look elsewhere. i placed a single oral low over 54,000. melissa: of it were not even available. it's not like you even had a choice. you have orders you have to fill. your in hawaii. you look to asia. how long was it before you found out that something was wrong? >> well, there was a complaint that was lodged back by one of the american -- actually, german based solar manufacturers that as a facility in oregon back in october last fall, and i was aware of this action pending essentially but when i placed my order and when i receive it in early march there was not yet any determination or any announcement from the department of commerce regarding the
tariffs. so after i received my order in early march, that is when the hammer started to fall. late march and then again in may. melissa: they came back to you and said, we are going to fine you on this order. we waat you to pay as $138,000. that is where we get that 253%. to the government has a tariff because you bought these cheaper panels. what went through your mind? >> oh, pain. big time. i mean, to have to pay that kind of duty which i was given essentially ten days to do so when i heard from u.s. customs in honolulu. i looked into every conceivable option, but to a number of lawyers, colleagues in the industry. i essentially had no way out other than to pay the money. melissa: you paid it? >> i paid it or i rest falling into what i call the black hole of liquidated damages. that just didn't seem to be a very safe place to put my business.
melissa: you get paid and now you're fighting back. >> correct. the international trade commission which i attended a hearing and offer testimony to. the trade commission has the authority to modify and essentially overturn the findings of critical circumstances which would get me off the hook and a bunch of others and give my money back. melissa: their complaint is that this was chinese dumping. this chinese company dumped panels here at a ridiculously low price that these other companies cannot possibly compete with and it's unfair trade practices you should have known that and should not have bought it from the. this is what i find crazy. a company on the other side of this complaint. 2700 employees. the largest manufacturer. there have been in business for 35 years. this huge company coming after you. twenty employees. you are the little guy who is trying to make the money here. they are coming after you. what would you say to america about this situation to back to you feel like you have been wrong?
>> i want to make clear that i don't consider this coming after me specifically. it was essentially a broader indictment against chinese allow manufacturers across the board, and i happen to do business of one of them. and i certainly feel that 253% plus tariff to be highly punitive. it is a very hyper competitive market out there amongst various manufacturers and different parts of the globe. like i said, i am hopeful that the trade commission well see things my way in our way. melissa: if they don't give your money back to you have to fire people? >> i really hope that is not the case. it will take a huge chunk out of what would have been my tax -- excuse me, what would have been my profits this year. i am still very hopeful that it won't lead to actual loss of employment. melissa: for out of time. i have to come back and tell us what happens. >> thank you. appreciated. melissa: it's not easy being green, and it's about to get even tougher. the government moves to crack
melissa: all right. so, when you are out shopping do you look for green products? you want to pay more? billing green is big business, but the federal trade commission is cracking down on how companies market their goods. consumers like you and i don't get duped. the problem is that the green knight seems pretty vague and might end up hurting the business bottom-line. joining me now, expert maurice, president of reiss and greece. thank you for coming on the show to me it kind of makes sense. anybody can say their product is green if it is trendy. it's like organic. you put it on anything and people want to buy it. >> well, yes. but that is assuming consumers are really stupid. they just buy everything. and you know what, consumers are skeptical. and like you said, they are actually less willing to buy things that are green and not willing to spend more money in a lot of cases. the biggest issue is green is on
everything. makes it less powerful, and they are extremely skeptical. wind we need all this new regulation and rules? >> in general i am with you. i am against almost anything that is regulatory. i am not a huge fan of the government. i think everyone knows that. but what are some of the regulations we're talking about? which was to you think to make any sense? >> well, you know, there is a long book of guidelines about using claims. basically they want to crack down on broad claims and really make you specify each and every thing. the difficulty is, it is almost very difficult to go into compliance which is why it is going to cost companies a lot of time and money and lawyers fees to really delve into this. and certainly things like the biodegradable bottle. you have to go back to nature. within one year. and you also have to say, if it's going to a landfill it might not be year. put all sorts of extra information and really, are people going to read that?
probably not. what is interesting is, i don't think a lot of consumers -- they're very wary of broad, general plans anyway. surely, the ones that get upset and can crack down on this id industries themselves. it is the prosecution that helped. the competition is really the one that gets upset when a competitor makes a false claim and they can go and strengthen the industry. the trade association review boards. working together as an industry. self policing can really help the most. keeping these companies honest. you don't want anyone lying about product. the problem is not blatant. it is exaggeration. melissa: customers are used to that. >> people will have to pay if that is what they want. well, there you go. you are getting a service, paying for something to be green and getting that service if it is important to you. >> well, of course. if it is green ideally -- well, not ideally, but you assume that
there is going to be a higher cost. people have not really shown that they're willing to pay a much higher cost for something green. so as a result companies are making it a tiny bit green but making the claims seem a lot cleaner. it's a very gray area. melissa: i don't know. >> and the government has enough to do. >> it sounds like a great, not green. thanks so much. this baldness equal power? why man's lack of derek and give him a leg up in business. we will explain that next. you can never have too much "money." follow the wings.
melissa: all right. it's time for a little fun with spare change. thanks for coming on. let's get right to it. first up, is business malden beautiful? according to a new study, men with shaved heads are seen as more masculine, dominant, and having more skills than in with air. the shortcut makes them appear youngbear, gives them more confidence. >> my head is way too big.
melissa: look at that. >> jeff mackey. a kind of felt shunted. there is a couple of things spiritless remember. one cause of hair loss is too much testosterone. maybe they are more masculine. and some people, maybe we just learn by example. it has been going on a long time. he is a bald guy. about 30 or 40 years ago. a tougher bald men. >> of chile has a lot of fair.
melissa: up think he's going to lose his hair. >> if you don't have it, honor. melissa: forget it. the school board officials are considering around $75,000. throwing out school lunches because they don't like the new low-calorie healthy choices being offered, so will trash can cameras fix anything? by the way, who will watch all that? >> you go through all the video. who will sit there? that was a carrot. banana. >> the lunch lady with a hair net. trough short stick. what are we going to do?
melissa: second up. >> the only reason this idea is getting any kind of attraction is because of the phrase trash cam. that is why. too much sugar. there are throwing out. they say that throughout 75,000. it's just gone. what are they doing? melissa: i don't know. >> pay kids to eat vegetables. melissa: bribery, i love it. >> spoken like a real dad. melissa: watch this. i want to show you this video. fed up with his government and the policy. i'm fed up with my government. i don't know. still the 142 ft. high dome of st. peter's basilica in protest. his sign reads, enough. the man spent more than 24 hours on top of the dome, but he is not expected to face charges. that raises a lot of questions about how he